The following is a series of questions posed to Floyd Abrams by Ronald Collins on the occasion of the publication of Abrams’s new book, Friend of the Court: On the Front Lines with the First Amendment (Yale University Press, 2013).
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The following is a series of questions posed to Floyd Abrams by Ronald Collins on the occasion of the publication of Abrams’s new book, Friend of the Court: On the Front Lines with the First Amendment (Yale University Press, 2013).
Welcome, Floyd. Thank you for taking the time to participate in this Question and Answer exchange for our readers. And congratulations on the publication of your second book.
Question:
You’re seventy-six years old and still quite active in litigating First Amendment cases. And now another book about your life in the law, the law of the First Amendment, that is. Would it be fair to say that you love your work?
Answer:
Yes. I’ve been very lucky in a lot of ways — my family, my law firm, and my good fortune in being able to devote a good deal of my professional and personal time to seeking to protect and expand First Amendment principles.
Question:
The title and subtitle of your latest book suggest that you are venturing, on the one hand, to help the Court better understand the First Amendment while, on the other hand, battling those who would undermine the First Amendment. Can you say a few words about your roles as educator and combatant?
Answer:
I think it is possible to play both roles — educator and litigator. Indeed, some litigation, particularly on constitutional topics, necessarily and inevitably educates and sometimes even enlightens. But the role of a litigator, after all, is to seek to prevail — the litigation equivalent of Justice William Brennan telling his law clerks that the most important thing for a member of the Court is to know how to count to five. I also, and independently from my appearances in courts, have given a lot of speeches, written a lot of articles and engaged in a lot of debates, many of which are set forth in Friend of the Court. It is in those documents, far more than what I say as counsel, that my own views are set forth.
Question:
In the Introduction to Friend of the Court you mention the gulf between the First Amendment bar and those who in the legal academy who write about the First Amendment. Share with us some of your thoughts on that subject and how law schools train their students.
Answer:
My core criticism of the legal academy, at least in its First Amendment teaching, is not that it’s too “academic”; it’s that it doesn’t take the First Amendment — at least as I understand it — seriously enough. In my book, I quote twice from a passage of Isaiah Berlin in which he observed that “[e]verything is what it is: liberty is liberty, not equality or fairness or justice or culture, or human happiness or a quiet conscience.” In this country, I would substitute the words “First Amendment” for “liberty.” That does not mean that equality and other significant values necessarily lack constitutional or other legal support; it does mean that when we speak of the First Amendment, we should be speaking of individual liberty and not of a watered-down version drafted to accommodate those other interests — ones which can generally be protected without intruding into areas protected by the First Amendment.
Question:
The legal philosopher Ronald Dworkin, who died recently, admonished: “we must take care not to convert the First Amendment from a matter of principle to a pointless mantra that subverts rather than sustains democracy.” What is your answer to that?
Answer:
Ronald Dworkin was a great student and teacher of both philosophy and law and we should be grateful that he has left so significant a body of work for us to continue to learn from. But I think he erred greatly in maintaining that First Amendment cases should be decided on the basis of our view — or the Supreme Court’s view — of whether or not the speech at issue in a case advances “democracy.” That was one basis for his disapproval of the Citizens United ruling.
My view is that suppression of speech, particularly but not exclusively political speech
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